From: John De Armond Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.rv-travel Subject: Re: Living in RV on private land in FL Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:15:02 -0500 Message-ID: <pgehtvg7ben6oktcaen3s2of0pcn58qifb@4ax.com> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 02:56:43 GMT, Peter T. Arnold <PM7088@comcast.net> wrote: >OK, so I build a 4,000 square foot home on a piece of property and you >are determined to live next to me in an RV. > >No matter how you color it, you are going to hurt me. My property >will be devalued through your actions. Why would you want to do that? >The only defense I have against you is to live in an area where the >zoning laws protect me from your actions. Don't be surprised when I >complain to the enforcement authority, why should I take a loss? So you think you have the right to control someone else's property, eh? If you do that with, say, money or a car it's called "theft". If you want to control what is done with that property then you buy it. That's what I did at my first house to stop development around it. Oh, but that costs money and, booo-hooo, you don't want to spend it. You want to take, using the force of the state if necessary, your neighbor's property rights without paying for them. I bet you'd howl like a moose with a cob up his *ss if the tables were turned and your neighbor tried to stop you from doing something you wanted to do with your property. You socialist pricks who pull these stunts are the most despicable of society's parasites because you nibble like termites at the foundations of the private property rights that are the bedrock of this country. Jefferson wrote about your type when he described the kings men, sent out to "eat out our hearts". I had a neighbor like you in Atlanta. I owned the ranch house of a farm that was subdivided. I had a 2 acre front yard and about 25 feet on the back. These yuppie assholes bought a lot across the street and built a $300k house (Ca residents read: $2 million) in a neighborhood of $60-120k houses. they started bitching immediately. They didn't like my parking several (good, running, not junk) cars in my front yard. They sent the zoning nazi out to threaten me. Bad move. Rather than be intimidated, I did my research. Then I met 'em on the street one day and had a chat. I told them that I had discovered some things in my research. I discovered that the offending regulation only addressed parking cars on the grass so that I would simply Roundup a strip of grass near the road across from their house and park my cars in the resulting mud. I also discovered that my property was grandfathered in the zoning to agricultural. I therefore planned to put up an electric fence around an area that I allowed to grow wild as a visual buffer, and put some hogs in there to control the weeds. I then told them that, so as not to make them look at my place and I wouldn't have to look at the hogs, I would construct a fence. I was allowed 8 feet. Since I didn't want to spend much money I'd be using particle board painted my favorite color - bright red. And that I'd be using those cheap metal barbed wire fence poles and simply cable tie the 4X8' sheets up so I could easily replace them when they came apart. I then intimated that maybe if they stayed on their side of the road and minded their own business and kept their noses out of mine, then maybe I'd be lazy enough not to do anything. That's the way we left it until I sold the house several years later and escaped that hell-hole. I did manage to plant some Kudzoo sprigs across the dead end between our properties before I left :-) I can only pray that your neighbors are as resourceful. John From: John De Armond Newsgroups: misc.rural Subject: Re: Zoning; can't use it OR sell it Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:37:05 -0500 Message-ID: <g2r0t2pff2a7qumo9es7p8f6bfvm5s4lr8@4ax.com> On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:33:35 GMT, Ann <nntpmail@epix.net> wrote: >The Agricultural Production category has a few more permitted uses, but >the restriction on selling part of the land is equivalent. The County >appears to have used the dart board method of assigning categories. Some >of the land adjoining mine in the same; some is Rural Heritage (no similar >subdivision restriction.) > >This elevates "There will be less government interference in your life." >to #1 on my list of Rural Myths, replacing "The cost of living is less." My sympathies, Ann. I had the same thing happen last year. In an amazing act of forethought not frequently mustered since, in 1975 I bought a hunk of land next to the brand new interstate. It has been owned by the local hunt and fish club and has a 3 acre spring-fed lake on it. 45 ft dam on one end. Enough water flow to generate all the electricity I could need. My plans had always been to, when I retired, build a home next to the dam and then slowly build a series of cabins around the lake to rent out. I have a friend who did that back in the 60s on another piece of land. Alas, now that retirement is in sight, the greedy developer b*stards who've run the town for two generations decided we needed county zoning and last year it happened. I don't know what my land is zoned but the mere thought of having to ask someone else permission to do what I want with my land is so abhorrent that I now consider it useless to me. I'm pissed! When are we going to stop complaining about government and start killing some of it? The 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting, you know.... John From: John De Armond Newsgroups: misc.rural Subject: Re: Zoning; can't use it OR sell it Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:55:26 -0500 Message-ID: <5hg2t2525tr7g9r0996f3i8j3suobr9gta@4ax.com> On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:41:22 -0600, Dean Hoffman <dh0496@i%ne^bras*&ka.com> wrote: > Any chance that the money grubbers will try to grab your >ground through eminent domain? I've read about some of these cases and >wondered if there was something the landowner could do ahead of time on >the land deed or covenants. That worry has been in the back of my mind ever since that supreme court ruling that let a city steal peoples' homes and give it over to private developers. I can't imagine any sort of "conventional" eminent domain case being made but who knows when the greedy b*stards are busy thinking up ways of stealing from others. OTOH, if they do make a move, the fair market value is going to make me very financially comfortable. The parcel next to mine of about the same acreage sold for $5mil 2 years ago. They'll pay through the nose and the *ss if they want my property! Like a friend of mine said when they tried to move on a piece of his farm - before he'd let them have it he'd import a whole damned town full of mexicans and pay them to pig farm.... :-) Ann, we fought zoning tooth and nail but the fix was in by the time the plan was made public. The average IQ in this thumpin' little town is about room temperature so all the politicos had to do to sell zoning was to point out that *GASP* an x-rated theater could set up shop in town and only zoning would stop it. So far they've used this new power that they seized for themselves for such laudable achievements (NOT) as shutting down a decades-old shooting range far out in the country because a single person who was a friend of a friend of a ..... Didn't like the noise. John From: John De Armond Newsgroups: alt.energy.homepower Subject: Re: Windmill rules for intown Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:47:30 -0400 Message-ID: <vdv764554ut05nq4a56q0qc715215k6jju@4ax.com> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:15:45 -0400, "daestrom" <daestrom@NO_SPAM_HEREtwcny.rr.com> wrote: >Drew Cutter wrote: >> How do i find out about using wind for the house ? I live in town . >> For instance how high can the tower be ? > >Start by talking to the same folks that issue building permits. They may >not have all the answers, but they could probably tell you who does. True, but don't dare use your name or address and preferably, call from a pay phone. If the questions you ask happens to get a petty bureaucrat's panties in a wad, you DON'T want it traced back to you and you don't want the SPECIAL attention that these pricks can direct your way. There's an art to finding out what you want to know without sending the code nazis off on a search and destroy mission to ferret out whatever it is you're wanting to do. Edge into it slowly and stop if the guy gets huffy. For a wind turbine, I'd probably ask something very benign such as whether it's OK to put a little TV mast mounted turbine on your roof or even a small old-fashioned windmill in your yard. After you ask, LISTEN carefully. It's important to discern the guy's attitude toward the general concept. If he is, STOP TALKING and change the subject. You don't want to put him on alert for something 'new' to look for. Operating under the philosophy that it's easier to beg forgiveness than permission, I tend to "just do it" in such instances, after waiting a suitable time interval. The VERY worst that might happen is that you have to take it down. More likely, unless someone complains, it won't be noticed. If it is, a variance, with your elected politician's help, of course, is the usual path. Another consideration. If you're a ham radio operator and erect an antenna tower, there is little that the town can do other than making you jump through some BS safety hoops. The FCC long ago federally pre-empted anti-antenna state and local laws. If your antenna tower happens to also have a windmill hanging off the side (or top), well..... Be sure to check the current FCC rules in this regard before you charge forward. Personally, I'd go the ham radio route. A ham license is trivially easy to get these days and that gets you a LOT of protection from the NIMBYs and code nazis. John |
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