From: "Steve Harris" <sbharris@ix.RETICULATEDOBJECTcom.com>
Newsgroups: misc.kids.health,uk.people.health,sci.med
Subject: Re: Tetanus (and DPT) vaccine mystery
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:14:22 -0700
Message-ID: <a8aq2a$cb7$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>

"Anthony Cox" <nospam@breithorn.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:snD1ytB4sNq8EwP9@breithorn.freeserve.co.uk...
> In article <1ad65102.0204010012.5bbe7864@posting.google.com>, john
> <whaleto@btinternet.com> writes
> >How can the Tetanus vaccine induce immunity, when contracting the
> >disease naturally does not give immunity?
> >
>
> Is this an April fool?


Answer: No, it's a good question, and it has an interesting answer. The
reason is that the real disease often poisons the patient with so little
toxin (it's very potent) that the immune system never has the chance to
"see" it and become reactive to it.

By contrast, the immunization to tetanus is done with deactivated toxin
(called "toxoid") which can obviously be given in hugely larger doses, and
thus elicits a proportionately greater immune response.

SBH

From: Steve Harris <sbharris@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,sci.med,talk.politics.medicine,
	misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: More Flu Vaccine Delays: Please BEG -- NOT!
Date: 18 Oct 2005 20:31:09 -0700
Message-ID: <1129692669.250501.53320@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>

Pizza Girl. wrote:
> There never was any swine flu, only a vacine. It was just another scam the
> public found out about.
>
> I have never had a tetanus shot.


Figures.

Tetanus is a rather horrid way to die. All your muscles lock up, in one
tetanic contraction, sometimes until a human patient's back arches to
the point of having only heels and the back of the head touching the
bed. Bones break from the strain. You're conscious and feel the pain.
There's no treatment but to anesthetize you and wait for you to die.
Kinder to shoot you, which is what they do to animals with it.

SBH

From: Steve Harris <sbharris@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,sci.med,talk.politics.medicine,
	misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: More Flu Vaccine Delays: Please BEG -- NOT!
Date: 18 Oct 2005 21:07:53 -0700
Message-ID: <1129694873.565879.85590@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

cathyb wrote:
> Steve Harris wrote:
>
> > Pizza Girl. wrote:
> > > There never was any swine flu, only a vacine. It was just another scam the
> > > public found out about.
> > >
> > > I have never had a tetanus shot.
> >
> >
> > Figures.
> >
> > Tetanus is a rather horrid way to die. All your muscles lock up, in one
> > tetanic contraction, sometimes until a human patient's back arches to
> > the point of having only heels and the back of the head touching the
> > bed. Bones break from the strain. You're conscious and feel the pain.
> > There's no treatment but to anesthetize you and wait for you to die.
> > Kinder to shoot you, which is what they do to animals with it.
> >
> > SBH
>
> But I'm sure the vaccine must be worse than that:)
>
> Cathy


COMMENT:

There's the irony. Tetanus isn't even a live vaccine, and doesn't even
contain a killed bug. It's just a purified and inactivated bacterial
toxin (called a "toxoid"). It's the stuff that makes your muscles lock
up, inactivated so it doesn't work and is no longer toxic, but still is
enough of itself to activate your immune system. That system then has a
head start, and can trigger early so you make your own anti-toxin
antibodies, when and if you see the real toxin. (No, they can't just
give you the antitoxin antibodies if you get the real thing, as they do
with snake venin toxins, because by that time the tetanus toxin is
bound to your muscles and won't come off).

Of all the vaccines, diptheria and tetanus, which are both simple
toxoids, probably cause the least reaction and the least side effect.
If only all vaccines were that easy.

SBH

From: Steve Harris <sbharris@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,sci.med,talk.politics.medicine,
	misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: More Flu Vaccine Delays: Please BEG -- NOT!
Date: 19 Oct 2005 19:06:24 -0700
Message-ID: <1129773984.926162.157700@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Pizza Girl. wrote:
> I have never heard of a case of tetanus in 50 years.


So?  It's now rare due to vaccination, but there are still 50 to 100
cases every year in this country. It has about a 30% mortality rate,
and it would be even higher if some of the cases hadn't been vaccinated
and with partial immunity.

From: Steve Harris <sbharris@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,sci.med,talk.politics.medicine,
	misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: More Flu Vaccine Delays: Please BEG -- NOT!
Date: 19 Oct 2005 18:58:42 -0700
Message-ID: <1129773522.772703.242470@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Pizza Girl. wrote:
> People with vaccinations spreading their "partial infection"


Not. Polio vaccination in the US has been with inactive virus for the
last 5 years. It's about as capable of reproduction as the corn in your
cornflakes.

From: Steve Harris <sbharris@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,sci.med,talk.politics.medicine,
	misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: More Flu Vaccine Delays: Please BEG -- NOT!
Date: 19 Oct 2005 18:54:51 -0700
Message-ID: <1129773291.708829.267610@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Mark Thorson wrote:
> Steve Harris wrote:
> >
> > BTW, I see the Amish have managed to get themselves
> > some wild polio this year, in the US.
>
> Where did they get it from?  I didn't think polio
> had a wild vector.


COMMENT:

It still does, in Africa. And that's just a jet flight away from the
US. Only 1 in 200 people ever has paralysis from the virus, and most
people who get it, never know they had it. So it could have come here
from Africa and spread slowly from host to host for weeks or even
months before somebody got symptoms. The Amish had this problem in the
late 1970's, and that was the last wild case in the US. They got it
from their relatives in Canada, who got it from relatives in the
Netherlands. In the generation since, they seem to have forgotted, so
here they are, making the same mistakes.

Live attenuated polio vaccines (which occasionally mutate back to the
wild-type) haven't been used in the US for 5 years.  So that's not
where the Amish got it. When we quit using the attenuated vaccine, the
polio rate in the US went from 8 cases a year (all vaccine mutations
and secondary infections), to zero. Till a week ago.

I believe oral live vaccines are still being used in Africa in an
attempt to contain the last of the genuine wild virus, and when they
occasionally back-mutate, it's impossible to tell that virus from wild,
AFAIK. But there's so much more wild than vaccine origin virus in
Africa, it's likely this is just the same-old stuff.

We'd have polio completely eradicated from the world by now if it
wasn't for the nuts. I'm for quaranteening the suckers as biohazards,
until they wise up.

SBH